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Jamus Lim on Minister Chee Hong Tat’s remarks on fiscal policy: Calls for genuine debate over rhetoric
Workers’ Party MP Jamus Lim responded to Minister Chee Hong Tat’s critique of “fiscal fantasies” at a recent dinner, calling for constructive debate. Assoc Prof Lim highlighted the need for nuanced discussion on fiscal policy and warned against rhetoric that could polarize public discourse.
Workers’ Party (WP) Member of Parliament (MP) for Sengkang, Associate Professor Jamus Lim, offered a thoughtful rebuttal on Facebook to remarks made by Transport Minister Chee Hong Tat during the Economic Society of Singapore’s Annual Dinner on 28 August.
The event, held at Orchard Hotel, brought together policymakers, economists, academics, and business leaders to discuss critical economic challenges facing the nation.
In his speech, Minister Chee, who is also the Second Minister for Finance, addressed the government’s approach to managing the economic impact of global inflation, particularly in the aftermath of the Russia-Ukraine conflict.
He highlighted the importance of sustainable economic management, focusing on productivity improvements, skill development, and prudent fiscal policies aimed at supporting lower- and middle-income groups without resorting to broad-based subsidies or price controls.
However, the speech took a sharp turn when Minister Chee criticized “some parties” for what he described as indulging in “fiscal fantasies”—proposals to increase public spending without adequately considering the long-term fiscal implications or the necessity of raising taxes to support such spending.
He characterized such approaches as politically irresponsible and economically unsound.
Minister Chee also addressed the issue of drawing down from Singapore’s past reserves, arguing that it is disingenuous to suggest that such actions would not deplete resources meant for future generations.
He employed a metaphor to underscore his point: “The way I see it – if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it is a duck. Don’t try to mislead people by saying it is a chicken.”
In his Facebook post, Associate Professor Lim, who is also an associate professor of economics at ESSEC Business School, acknowledged agreement with several substantive points made by Minister Chee, particularly the need to balance mass transport needs with rising costs and the government’s role in managing the cost of living.
He also welcomed the progress on the Johor-Singapore Rapid Transit System, as highlighted by Minister Chee.
However, Assoc Prof Lim expressed concern over the rhetoric used by Minister Chee, particularly the remarks about “fiscal fantasies.”
Assoc Prof Lim cautioned that such language risks framing moderate policy differences as irreconcilable stances, which could perpetuate a climate of fear and turn constructive policy discussions into emotionally charged debates.
He emphasized that the Workers’ Party’s fiscal approach does not involve unfunded liabilities but rather proposes alternative taxes—targeting the wealthy, large corporations, and activities with negative societal impacts—instead of placing additional burdens on middle-class households.
Assoc Prof Lim humorously noted that if the Workers’ Party had made similar remarks about the government’s fiscal policies, they might have been subjected to a POFMA (Protection from Online Falsehoods and Manipulation Act) correction.
He used this point to illustrate what he perceived as a double standard in how fiscal policy debates are conducted in Singapore.
Responding to Minister Chee’s metaphor about the reserves, Assoc Prof Lim argued that while it is important to be cautious about drawing down reserves, the issue requires a nuanced discussion.
He suggested that there should be an honest and thoughtful debate about when and how these reserves should be used for the public good, rather than simplifying the issue into a metaphor that might obscure the complexities involved.
Assoc Prof Lim concluded by advocating for a more constructive approach to public discourse, one that encourages genuine debate over policy choices without resorting to rhetoric that could polarize the conversation.
He called for discussions to focus on whether society agrees with these policy choices rather than using terms like “fiscal fantasies,” which, according to Assoc Prof Lim, only serve to scaremonger rather than engage in meaningful debate.
Our total fertility rate is 0.9 and dropping. The bulk of the “future generations” will be the 1.1 proportion who are definitely foreigners. Chee you are robbing our born and bred citizens monies to give to future foreigners generation right? We will not let you, by voting our as many pap as we can to deny you 2 thirds majority.
ERP increasing $1 more . $2 becomes $3 , $3 becomes $4. tsk tsk tsk…..
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how many millions of tax payers money will be pumped in for its maintenance cost?
that will be a state secret!
we wouldn’t know the truth until we vote them out !!!
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The problem with clowns like CHT is that they pay lip service to economics 101 while simultaneously debasing them. We need a hero, please — where are you? Those in position, please check your spines and stand up.There is no need to try to intellectualize this stuff as though there is some sly clever underlying ploy. Only good at spotting patterns and spinning narratives that fit the dim bulb’s idea of an intelligent guy. Spewing bile in the name of “heritage.” If so, beware that there will be no benevolent guardian of our sovereignty. How about a huge statue of ‘papa’ staring right at… Read more »
If Opposition cannot even take down CHT whose hands full of issues , then there is no hope to take down any pap mp
Put your money where your mouth is…
Stand for the General Elections in a single seat constituency with ANY opposition candidate.
ANY opposition candidate.
And I say, you will lose.
be a man and take up the challenge.
Dont hide behind the People’s Association, inside parliament and behind any ministry.
Come out and fight.
You are worse than a ayam
JL: Telling us the foreginer girl picture is okay to be used on the Singapore National Day Poster is no use, it does not help us Singaporeans.
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At leaset LT makes the point !
JL: You need to provide and ENFORCE SOLUTIONS !!! Its very boring to hear opposition parties keep telling the garment things are very expensive for decades. What do you think?
They should control food courts rental, housing rentals, etc. period.
Implement measures to curb landlords from increasing rentals when their tenant’s lease expires or due for renewal by introducing a 5 yr period cap of and and rental increase cap of upto maximum 5% increase.
Scrap all the REITS please. !!!! These are just profit making vehicles at the expense of tenants and consumers . What do you think?
Putting in words for Kenny roberts.1 reader asked what has his miserable life encounters got anything to do with convincing and persuading elderly folks to scrutinise the pap and vote wisely.The facts were stated during persuading and respect were given regardless whoever the elderly vote.Kenny Roberts, despite his tribulation,managed to do something he feels appropriate ,trying to have a more transparent and accountable society.He don’t go around asking people to jump from HDB or have incest with their mother.We can have joyfyl discussion with respect..You can swear and curse but leave the Mother out.
PAPs should leave the innocent “unborns” out of their whatever arguments..forever!
Who started it? I believe its that other useless PAP DL..
always with his affordable & accessible HDB public housing biggest lie..
These PAPs should all be rounded up and put in zoo…for goons.
Peter’s principle means someone could be promoted beyond one’s competence and calibre.
The blunders and booboos CHT handled simply go, disastrous oil spill and bus stop with many pillars indicate he is subpar in performance and lacks foresight.
It’s worrying to rapidly upgrade someone beyond his competency.
POFMA Prof JL lah if you think what he stated isnt right..
CHT should POFMA himself…
Hope he lost some face at least for spewing such meaningless dribble, as a Minister …tsk tsk tsk.
Always trying to tekan the alt party members…this time PAP was K.O-ed …by brainpower alone, PROF JL’s…
TCB = They have lost their directions
When economy is bad, jobs are lost, food costs are bloodly high, why are we still payings $million salaries? JL please ask them ? challenge them please, pressure them to cut their salaries . stop highlighting the same thing over and over again for decades. Whyat about $600,000 mayonaise? Yawn …Zzz Zzz Zzz….
To Kenny who replied my post.Thank you so much.I agree everything you said .I really think I’m smart and big *F*,in the way that I managed to overcome my miserable life and still wanted to treat people with respect and kind words. I was born a bastard who don’t know who is my real father.I was sodomised by my step father when young and two of my siblings have incest .When I think I am doing fine ,I discovered my child is not mine through DNA test.I have great angst inside me but I tried not to pass it on… Read more »
If SG today is the same as back in LKY prime days where there were only one or two opposition leader capable enough, then we don’t mind pap rule. But there is clearly been an Erosion of good governance as said by TCB many years ago.
So many issues and flaws and their world record salaries broke the camel’s back. Tak Boleh Tahan!!
Let’s agree on which GRC/ MP to take down this GE and target them so that voters won’t be afraid of total wipeout as only the selected MP is targeted for take down .
If this was an election campaign remark or a election rally comment, then the words utter by CHT is understandable.
But he made this kind of speech, as a keynote speaker, in a prestigious event such as this Economic Society of Singapore’s Annual Dinner, only goes to show his lack of political finesse and immaturity.
Kiang toh hoh, my kay kiang! (Hokkien)
Don’t act like a smart aleck! (Translation)
Credit to A/Prof Jamus for calling him out immediately.
"wa si teo chew nang"
这是我从政的口头禅
阿妈教我作人要正当
我最厉害就是打乒乓
事情还没做就要响当当
事情做错了找借口挡子弹
wa si teo chew nang
lang ni ge lang ni ge lang
明天太阳西边上
我照样上台做演讲
哈哈哈 哈哈哈
我不是小叮当
On the part of the “future generations” excuse. Singapore’s TFR is now 1.0 and will continue its slow decline.
Who exactly is this “future generation” that the ruling government is so worried about?
If we follow the current trend, in 50 years, the number of native citizens in Singapore will halve and then halve again in another 50 years. By 2124, the no. of true blue Singaporeans will likely be less than one million.
We can spend 2/3 of the “reserves” in the next 100 years and the $ available per capita will remain unchanged.
Talking like a duck.. puuuui
Minister of duck quack … hopeless
I’m me minister cotton wool.. one minister eggs specialist.. one baby making …. Now we have a DUCK QUAK MINISTER LOLZ
juz wondering …
would CHT dare to talk cock…
if there was Q&A afterwards?
Minister Chee Hong should listen to the Human or Animal segment of Class 95 Car tunes. Sometimes when Minister Chee Hong thought he heard the sound of a duck quacking, it may not be a duck but a human pretending to quack. What’s up doc? Or was it Donald?
Robert: It is typical of the MIW to deride ideas and proposals that were not initiated by them. The “fiscal fantasies” will one day perhaps metamorphasize into an idea coming from the MIW? REPLY TO: Robert Stupidity has been weaponized these days – Except they will have their own lies falsehoods and contradictions to trot out, we don’t expect any better than having our ideas/proposals reinforced regardless of our political affiliation and that’s what we get, until a large enough number of us demand truth from our leaders regardless of politics we will get what we deserve and it won’t… Read more »
CHT was also appointed as deputy chairman of MAS..
one ministar with several titles..
No wonder it goes to their heads!
He should go join the unborn.
Aiyoh, CHT is green bird, lah. Promoted not by merit but chance emergency of Iswaran being suddenly “demoted”. Recall how he mishandled the SimplyGo issue. If bo-liao, better don’t enter genuine debates with more experienced MPs, just act blur, repeat rhetoric, happily collecting million$ salary to look stupid.
It is typical of the MIW to deride ideas and proposals that were not initiated by them. The “fiscal fantasies” will one day perhaps metamorphasize into an idea coming from the MIW?
The JS scheme is a good example.
Jamus Lim is correct to ask for engagement and debate that transcends rhetoric. But does CHT believe in a healthy debate instead of passing derogatory comments?
CHT has never been seen as a “strong” minister but with LW, CHT seems to be going places. Next stop – the Finance Ministry?
How about cutting the costs of government CHT? Remove the 2 Senior Minister’s post together with all the State Ministers and Mayors. Introduce a wealth tax for the 20 percent. You can then revert to 7% GST payable by corporates only. We, individuals are paying high taxes collected through the GST system which we are unable to reclaim. A $10,000/- bill from a Law firm will reflect $900/- as GST. If the case goes to court another bill will be about $15,000/- GST in total $2250. Corporates can claim back their GST spending. We, the citizens cannot. Please enrol for… Read more »
Debate ??? Really ??? Seriously ???
When they own the house and speaker, … control all proceedings and time allocation and time termination, when they see fit !!!
Remember that debate not so long ago, … over a few days in fact, and what was the final outcome, followed by an official statement, … affirming that “public housing has been and remains accessible and affordable broadly to SillyPoreans” !!!
Just go win more seats in parliament, … by exposing more mismanagement and piss poor governance to the people !!!
waste time. Sigh
Vote wisely…..what ever they give you its tax payers money. Everyone pay taxes, PUB utitlies bills GST, food also got GST, things that you buy also got gst, almost everything got GST. So called they say absobed GST but mark up the prices…..go and check out food prices in hawker centres or kopi tiam……You think its cheap? tsk tsk tsk……
死老鬼 styles
Jia Liow Chee again shot his mouth off. And then it boomerangs back to him, making him look a silly fool.
Whenever I see aunties/uncles,I will tell them *do you know Zheng Hu stay in black & white Ang mo choo?
*Do you know Lee Xiao long wife”s salary MAYBE like mentioned in taiwanese news is striking ToTo every draw for 1 whole year.Lets do our small part for a more transparent and accountable government.
This CHT’s arrogance should be brought down a few notches…asap!
Its was a great opportunity for Prof JL…to turn the heat on CHT’s speech…typical of the PAP’s “high and mighty” character..
Jamus is an economist whereas Chee is army yes-man.
How to fight? Stone vs egg?
CB hong try to be smart but got OUTFOXEd by Jamus, CB Hong should be VOTED out of Bishan GRC,don’t give him the chance to SNATCH away the microphone!!!! He still have not explained how his LTA is so FUCKED UP!!!!
Hub of cheap labour in South East Asia
chee bye hong talking, or digging?
Chee Hong ah…Chee Hong…you anyhow throw money can talk about ‘prudent fiscal policies’?
Chee bye kia anyhow throw money….YOUR MONEY, NOT HIS…. from Simply Go or No Go to ERP 2.0 AND STILL TALK ABOUT….prudent fiscal policies?????
Hong kan lah you Sinkie….now 60,000 of you fuckers unemployed and still have CB kia , PAID MILLIONS FROM STATE COFFERS, acting like some managment Guru talk about prudent fiscal policies to you!🤣🤣🤣🤣😆😆😆😆
Managed to convince about 8 aunties,uncles in my buangkok neighbourhoodt that CDC,pioneer $,rebates are not from PAP pocket.Hope they don’t get cold feet when voting as they still believe Zheng Hu can see and Singapore will TOW!
Actually 3 most important things CPF,HDB,MRT are done by 1st,,2nd and early 3rd generation ministers.This present lot did practically nothing amid they quite good at sugarcoating.*Just call Buangkok Ave 1,don’t call Buangkok court!*
They take zero responsibility for the effects of any of their destructive policies and over and over again, despite clear, logical, concise evidence to the contrary.There’s a big difference between arguments which are trying to get at the truth, and those that serve only to promote THEIR personal beliefs. Chee Hong Tat is laying out a logically consistent case for the justification, methodology, and outcome of potential intervention in subsidies/costs by Govt. I’m not sure we’ve got that much time to waste. And as Upton Sinclair said, “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary… Read more »
The PAP Administration only like to do battle in Parliament House where they form, control or break the rules of verbal warfare. And this is a sure win for them.
Like they tell lies, they escaped punishment. Not even a stand of their hair fall or a droplet of perspiration form on their foreheads. Compare to the way they SCRUTINISE, INTERROGATE, VERBAL Assault against others – goodness, what do you think.
Uncle eats salt more than this Chee Hong kia eats rice.
His speech is airy fairy, hollow and not down to earth. Doesn’t solve the root problem